Republic Book VII and Euthphyro Analysis Discussion

Republic Book VII and Euthphyro Analysis Discussion

Logic A B C D F Written Expression Understanding Thought Express their own Clear conclusion, ideas which it is clear Nicely written; difficult backed up with relevant Accurate understanding they have given some concepts and reasons; uses chains of of the material and thought and feeling relationships clearly reasoning; considers author’s intentions to; write to express expressed; no errors alternative viewpoints themselves and not primarily to please me Mostly accurate Well written with a few Clear conclusion and understanding of the Somewhere in mistakes and some reasons material and author’s between A and F unclear moments intentions Shows unfamiliarity Conclusion and reasons with formal writing by Got some things right are there, but how they Somewhere in various errors and a but largely missed the fit together is not very between A and F degree of chronic lack point on others clear of clarity* Much difficulty No real argument and Maybe got a couple of expressing a clear it’s not even totally things right but mostly Somewhere in thought; frequent clear what you are missed the whole point between A and F egregious grammar trying to say of the reading mistakes* At best, an obedient Missed the point of the Very sloppy and Totally missed the point sheep who obviously assignment and didn’t unclear writing* of the reading has no real interest in have a clear thesis philosophy *Students in these categories should seek assistance with every paper they write in every class from the student-tutoring center Euthyphro EUQUFRWN PLATO PLATWN euthyphrO EUQUFRWN PLATO PLATWN Translated by Cathal Woods and Ryan Pack 2007 This work is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 License. To view a copy of this license, visit http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/ or send a letter to Creative Commons, 171 Second Street, Suite 300, San Francisco, California, 94105, USA. Euthyphro 2a b c d 3a b c 1 Euthyphro (Euth):

What new thing has happened, Socrates, that you have abandoned your stomping grounds in the Lyceum* and are now spending your time here, around the porch of the king*? For surely you too are not involved in some suit before the king*, as I am. Socrates (So): The Athenians don’t just call it a suit, Euthyphro, but a public indictment.* Euth: What do you mean? Someone has indicted you, I suppose, since I certainly wouldn’t condemn you of the opposite, you indicting someone else. So: Certainly not. Euth: So someone else is indicting you? So: Absolutely. Euth: Who is this person? So: I don’t know the man very well myself, Euthyphro; I think he is a young and unknown person. Anyway, I believe they call him Meletos. He is from the Pitthean deme*, if you know of a Meletos from Pitthos with straight hair, not much of a beard, but with a hooked nose. Euth: I don’t know him, Socrates. But what charge has he indicted you on? So: On what charge? It’s no minor charge, I think, as it’s no small thing for a young man to be knowledgeable about so important an issue. For he, he says, knows how the young are corrupted and who their corruptors are. He’s probably somebody wise, and having seen how I in my ignorance corrupt the people of his generation, he is coming to tattle on me to the city, as though it were his mother. And he alone seems to me to be starting out in politics correctly, because the correct way is to first pay attention to how our young people will be the best possible, just as a good farmer probably cares first for his young plants, and after this to the others as well. And so Meletos too is presumably first rooting out us who corrupt the sprouting young people, as he puts it.

Then after this it’s clear that, having turned his attention to the older people, he will become a source of many great goods for the city, as is likely to happen to someone who starts off in this way. Euth: I wish it were so, Socrates, but I’m afraid that the opposite might happen. Because it seems to me that by trying to wrong you he is starting out by recklessly harming the hearth of the city. And tell me, just what does he say you’re doing to corrupt the young? So: Strange things, you marvelous man, at least to hear him describe them, since he says I am a maker of gods, and because I make novel gods and do not acknowledge the old ones, he indicts me for their sake, he says. Euth: I understand, Socrates. It’s because you say the divine sign* comes to you occasionally. He has lodged this indictment because of your innovative religious ideas. And so he is obviously coming to the court intending to slander you, knowing that such things are easily misrepresented to the many. Indeed even in my case, whenever I say something in the assembly about religious matters, foretelling the future for them, they ridicule me as a madman, and yet I said nothing that was not true in what I foretold. Even so, they envy all of us who are like this. We should think nothing of them but fight them on their own ground. Euthyphro d e 4a b c 2 So: But my dear Euthyphro, being ridiculed is probably no big deal; indeed it seems to me that it doesn’t matter much to the Athenians if they think someone is wise, so long as he not capable of teaching his wisdom. They become outraged with anyone they suspect of also trying to shape others in some way, whether because they are envious, as you claim, or for some other reason. Euth: Which is why I have no great desire to have it put to the test, how they feel about me. So: It’s probably because you seem to rarely make yourself available and appear unwilling to teach your wisdom, whereas I fear that, because of my love of people, I strike them as someone who is bursting to talk to everybody, and not just without demanding payment, but would even be glad to compensate anyone who cared to listen to me. So as I was saying, if they intend to laugh at me, as you said happened to you, there would be nothing unpleasant about spending time in court playing around and laughing.

But if they are going to be serious, it’s unclear at present how things will turn out, except to you prophets. Euth: Well, it will probably be nothing, Socrates, and you will fight your case satisfactorily, as I think I will fight mine, too. So: What exactly is your suit, Euthyphro? Are you defending or prosecuting it? Euth: I am prosecuting. So: Whom? Euth: A man whom by pursuing I will again appear crazy. So: But why? You’re pursuing someone who flies? Euth: He is long way from flying. As a matter of fact he happens to be well advanced in years. So: Who is he? Euth: My father. So: Your father, you fantastic fellow?! Euth: Absolutely. So: But what is the charge, and what are the circumstances? Euth: Murder, Socrates. So: Heracles! I think most people wouldn’t know how to act properly in such a case, since I don’t think that just anyone could take care of this correctly, but only someone, I suspect, who has progressed a long way in wisdom. Euth: By Zeus, a long way indeed, Socrates. So: Surely the person killed by your father is one of your relatives? It must be, since you would not prosecute him for murder on behalf of a stranger. Euth: It’s ridiculous, Socrates, that you think that it makes a difference whether the man killed is a stranger or a relative, and don’t think it is necessary to watch only for this, whether the killer killed legally or not, and if it was legal, to let him go, and if not, to prosecute him, if the killer, that is, shares one’s hearth and eats at the same table. Because the pollution is the same if you are aware that you share the guilt and do not both purify yourself and prosecute him in law. The victim, as a matter of fact, was a certain laborer of mine, and Euthyphro d e 5a b c d 3 when we were farming in Naxos he was employed by us there. Drunk and having been provoked by another one of our household, he slit this man’s throat. So my father bound his feet and hands, threw him into some ditch and sent a man here to inquire of the interpreter of religious law about what should be done. But during that time he paid no attention to the bound man and neglected him as a murderer and thought nothing of it if he died too, which is in fact what happened, since he died of hunger and cold and his bonds before the messenger returned from the interpreter. That’s why both my father and my other relatives are angry, because I am prosecuting my father on behalf of a murderer, when he didn’t kill him, they say, or if he did in fact kill him, well, since the man he killed was a murderer, one should not be concerned about such people—because, they say, it’s unholy for a son to prosecute his father for murder, not really knowing, Socrates, how the religious law stands with respect to holiness and unholiness. So: But by Zeus, do you, Euthyphro, think you have such accurate knowledge about how the religious laws stand, about both piety and impiety, that with these things having taken place in the way you describe, you are not afraid that, prosecuting your father, you might be committing another impiety in doing so? Euth: I would be of no use, Socrates, and neither would Euthyphro be better than the majority of men, if I did not have accurate knowledge of all such matters.

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